The cowboy loads are mild and fun to shoot and loaded with 300 plus grain hot loads it is very similar to a 44 mag. However, please dont cast aspersions toward those who have done their own homework and made their own best choices. I no longer use trick bullets or many jacketed bullets. We dont know what caliber, make or model the handgun was. wild boars The species are abundant in the state, numbering around 4,000 to 6,000 estimated creatures. I would rather lug a 12 gauge or Marlin guide gun in 45/70 for bear protection. Understanding that a grizz is top oh the list for a bad and aggressive attitude, a grizz cant kill you more then any other bear could. Phil, I cant locate that corner; theres a ******bear down there! Now, as surveyors, we carry machetes to cut the brush in between our survey stations, and we are rather proficient with them. Honestly for a Mountain Lion a human does not have a good chance when it comes down to human w/ knife vs mountain lion, but I do recommend he has a knife in case he would be knocked to the ground or a last resort. Dating back to 1873, the .45 Colt will provide very impressive terminal ballistics when loaded in a strong, modern handgun. People living in neighborhoods around Nederland wonder why Colorado Parks and Wildlife can't do more to stop attacks on their pets. Magnum Research 45-70 isnt bad either ! More is always better and the bullet is the key. A glock 20 (10 mm) has 16 rounds and with the correct ammo is pushing 41 magnum range. I will take it to heart and now that Ive learned the 4 3 1 rule Ill not forget it, and not fail to abide by it while in bear country, and quite probably every time Im hunting. 44 mag is a minimum and it would have to be a DA version. I have three loads that I shot, 200 gr. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. . Being aware that sounds and smell plays a role in a bears survival by detecting prey, keep food or harvested deer meat or other game tightly contained as it would be analogous to swimming in blood filled water with man-eating sharks. When they were hunted with dogs in the 1950s and 60s, many were shot with .22 rimfire cartridges from both rifles and pistols. A mountain lion killed some goats about a half mile from us. I carry both in a Blackhawk Alaska Guide Holster in the field, and in a Galco leather CCW holster under my belt in town: since being on TV, I learned that stalkers can be just as dangerous a charging bear. At the same time, we're trying to be as supportive and helpful to property owners as possible.". Feature Articles, Id be packing heat. Not back in the camper because its too heavy or bulky. Carrying a 9mm, 10mm, 45 acp, etc. Will a 9mm or 38 spl kill a bear? Great advice. She ran out of there at Mach 3, with her blue hair on fire. Underwood now has a 230grain all copper extreme hunter load at 1700fps. 4 5/8 inch barrelpretty comfortable to carry . You might not have the accuracy from the first two mentioned as you would the latter, but at the close range that a bear attack would occur I think that would be a moot point. Can you shoot while on your back or while youre being chewed on? Mountain Lion Attack Stopped by Man with Handgun in 2010, Teenager Sexually Assaults Friends Mom, Gets Rejected at Gunpoint, TTAG Daily Digest: Actually Shooting Someone, Ratings Kryptonite and the NRA in the Time of Trump. How many miles can a mountain lion travel? Teardrop-shaped toes. I have had to kill a couple Grizzlies, and have had numerous Mexican stand offs, over moose or caribou kills. I have skinned three browns, two grizzlies and more black bears than I care to remember. It can push a 400-grain bullet to more than 1,500 fps, but I cant control it. Another survivalist carried a lever action .357 MAG rifle. sure, sure, sure. I bought Bear Loads in .45 LC and .357 MAG, but they were both hollow points (300 & 180 grains, respectively). 50 round box should last a lifetime. I shoot a 44 mag Ruger Redhawk 4 in ss I love it. That wont be possible until my kids are out of college, though. , .357 mag. A sidearm is a very smart idea. It would beat the pants off any .44mag for sure. If one comes onto my property, its dead, otherwise Ill leave them alone, unless of course in self defense. LAR Grizzly 45 Win Mag. @1,3000+ FPS, a 255 gr. I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. I see a lot of Blackhawk advocates. Then when we were at Cabelas, I compared the photo on my phone to all the cougar mounts and none came anywhere close. I like the S&W 460 as well. When it comes to the coastal brown bear, thats a whole different animal. When I go into the Cascades, I always take a .357 revolver. 10 mm, the old lady behind me at checkout at Cabelas asked me why I was buying so much ammo. So, no .38s but the only options arent .44s, 454s, 460s 475 linebaugh or 500s. God Bless old Friend. I have a hard time believing when pressed in close quarters, that they would do well with a .410 load in the face. Best of luck, fortunately it sounds like you really wont be relying on luck.. Some dogs work together well enough to make a cat figure it's best to run but rarely will a pack of dogs be able to kill a cougar. Recoil is managable and porting helps, not like 454 casull or 460 mag, no, let me guess 500 s&w is the only option, the first pistol to come with wheels! I use the buffalo bore +P 340 for bear loads. Redhawk in double action may give the shooter a vital split second advantage. As most readers are probably aware, a cougar (aka mountain lion) attacked a couple of mountain bikers in California last month [ Outside Online News: January 9 . They have been conditioned to hear a gun and equate it to a free meal. (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. It seems to be a matter of carrying largest caliber you can for the situation, with the proviso that you be able to deliver sufficient rounds on target. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I own a 45 Colt Ruger Bisley with a 5 1/2 inch barrel ,among other larger caliber handguns , and it is far and away my favorite for handgun hunting or a defensive woods gun. I started reloading and when the bear got to about 12 yards, I dropped my percussion cap in the leaves. The range of a Mountain Lion may cover 25 to 785 square miles. ; Dog breeds that are large, powerful, and possess protective instincts, like the German Shepard, are excellent dogs to have . The issues penetration. So, perhaps .45 colt is NOT the best choice for a bear. Even It has been updated through June of 2017. 45 & 9mm do not get past the fat layer to break bones and damage vital organs. A study done by US Fish and Wildlife produced the following results. In general, 10mm, .44 magnum, or better seems like the best choices (including .454 Casull). He makes a grizzly look like a cub. Ammunition To Go : 50rds - 38 Special Federal LE 158gr. Then it rolled over and started walking. He didnt know what kind of weapon was used. Reply. Babb said the attack occurred while the boy and his family were taking a break from riding all-terrain vehicles. Can some of the huge pistols work? There are no stopping calibers; only stopping shots. 44 mag power in a high cap auto loader. Inside the house, condo, apartment, or indoors such should May 23, 2022 / by / in . The only real downside is there is not a good rifle to go with the 10 mm. I carry a SW 500 in a chest rig as backup. Ive racoons hunted quite a bit and upon shooting healthy racoons they either crash dead or make as fleet of an escape as the wounds will allow. AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf. Thats why I would always plan to have with me.a friend who could not run as fast as me!!!!! 9 shot can shred the head of a rattlesnake up close. The 148 grain SC is great as long as it is a hollow base, and loaded backwards with the hollow base facing out. Laboratory work several days after the attack would have indicated rabies. But again, as the species is protected, they were unable to carry out efforts to catch it. Penetration is what is needed, no hollow points. What part of the state? into the Grizzly point blank range killing it. A grizzly bear is a formidable foe, having no issue whatsoever proving its dominance over human beings. "It is unlawful to kill a mountain lion without a permit for the California Department of Fish and . Is it a powerhouse, as a bear cartridge? Yea, a revolver and its speed loaders generally only hold 6 rounds each, but it can be reloaded very quickly. RIP ammo is fine against flesh, as in human flesh. might be ok for a black bear, but will likely piss off a coastal bear. Can you show any proof that we are destroying anything? Of course, I dont live in Alaska, nor have I ever killed a bear. For the outdoors person a revolver can likewise Lightweight and well-balanced, I had a chance to spend a bit of time with this wheelgun at the SHOT Show in Las Vegas. I purchased the gun from the nephew of an Alaskan Guide who had to kill several large browns with this same revolver. There are many reviews of this caliber online. A perfect shot to the brain may stop a griz or black bear with a smaller caliber but you cant count on a perfect shot every time. Two young men from SoCal (where else?) The mountain lion also occasionally preys on domestic livestock and pets. The key is putting the projectile in the right spot. Even if the game warden had survived, he Remember you can be turned into bear shit with in two days if you are wrong! Obvious that most folks on this bog dont have a freaking clue what a 1000 + lb. Mountain Lions are extremely fast, territorial, and capable of seriously injuring and killing even an adult human. I often have to carry elk quarters out in the Bitteroot mountans, which is heavy populated with wolves, grizzly, black bear, and moose, all of which I have had numerous too close for comfort encounters where Ive had to draw down. For self defense/house protection/ I believe that model Ruger is single action, right? This attack from 2008 shows the utility of a handgun for defense against predators in the wild. Does that mean my woods gun a .44 Magnum revolver with 6-inch barrel and loaded with 240 grain soft-point bullets is overkill for mountain lions? A black bear sow protecting a cub from your invasion of their space will have her way with you till she decides shes done. A moose attacked me on my property when I first moved here, but it was because I was trying to get close enough for a good picture really DUMB! If you did, you wouldnt be even considering spray or a souped up .32 pistol round as your primary weapon of bear defense Cripes, just go to zoo and imagine the zoo born and/or raised sleeping pile of fur your looking at, being really pissed off at you, or just curious, and has a closing velocity of over 30 mph. while you are on the road system you are in cell phone communications 90% of the time. They always seem to show up. Required fields are marked *. 07-11-2013, 08:10 AM. @ 1,100+ FPS!! CCIs classic .38 Special shot or snake If the attacking bear is perfectly downwind, you will have some chance with bear spray. wolves There are videos out there that show this gun/ammo combo going through both sides of the current US Army helmet. The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. They come in 45 Win Mag and 50 AE as well. The examination of the animal, believed to be about 3 years old, suggests it was an opportunistic predator and not starving because deer, its natural prey, had been over-hunted, as . shop reading and start thinking. He said not really. Not a chance will I ever take those with me here in Alaska, other than around town where bear issues are far more unlikely. based on their investigations of human-bear encounters since 1992, persons encountering grizzlies and defending themselves with firearms suffer injury about 50% of the time. can a 38 special kill a mountain lion. Mountain lions are a specially protected species in California. My Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt with handloads, 300-grains, 1,200 fps (1,192 to be exact) goes with me on a lot of black bear hunts with hounds. The .454 Casull is my usual choice as it provides a good balance of power with manageability. This was a glaring example of surprise; this area, while remote, rugged and wooded, wasnt known for its bear population, very few had ever been seen there, but that one bear had my employees undivided attention. My first handgun was just that at age 18, and now I tote a Blackhawk Hunter in .45, loaded with 325 gr HC with GC and 22 grains of H-110 (Ruger Blackhawk or Thompson Contender ONLY!!!) All shots were heart lung ,,,edit,, All shots were attempted heart lung. I have concerns with shooting the higher pressure .45 LC rounds, like the Buffalo Bore 325 grain load. Great article, even better advise-44 mag super redhawk will be on my side when the opportunity comes my way. 540 gr leaving the 7 barrel at 1200 FPS. It was the first handgun I ever purchased.. The 30-50 yd accuracy is simple.AMAZING SHOT PLACEMENT WITH POWER. Regarding your story about the two men from California who discharged bear spray in their hotel room in their haste to try it out forcing the hotel to gut and refinish the room entirely, of course after evicting the two Californians. Derek Wolfe told Tucker Carlson he plans to eat the mountain lion he hunted. The Complicated Truth About Mountain Lion Encroachment. The third racoons I shot was hit behind the heart lung area with a 7.62x 25 , it flinched from the shot, turned, growled, and continued towards a timbered embankment and possible escape. The grizzly and brown bears are a completely different story. I just wander where his Pistol and the rigging went to. Dogs and coyotes have one indent at the bottom of their pads. I dont shoot them well enough, fast enough to satisfy me, 2. Im paraphrasing a bit here, but I once read an article by Bill Jordan about a new Weatherby rifle he was about to take on safari to Africa. He put his mouth directly on top of his head, and I think if the head had been smaller, hed have been picked up.. The female mountain lion in a chilling faceoff with a solo trail runner in Utah wasn't trying to kill him. Laying out the reasonable course of events leading up to a legitimate use of force against Bears (or Lion) would make it more difficult to prosecute (IMO for political / ideological reasons) citizens who defend themselves against bear (or lion) attacks. More than 12,400 mountain lions were killed between 1907 and 1963 and turned in for bounties, according to the Mountain Lion Foundation. He saw a seasoned Ranger carry the same rigging and said that was good enough for Him. Put up the fishing gear and settled in for the night. Rifle first if at all possible. Also, my pre-1982 The statement that you wont be able to dump a full magazine into a charging bear is likely true as well. Long story short, Phil was forced to put the grizzly down. He agreed the animal was huge. FL). Remember one thing in Bear country. A lion is a powerful and lethal predator and can easily kill a mule however a mule can be quite an adversary. So that information has sort of vanished.. Not your problem when facing a legitimate threat from a bear. Most of the revolvers mentioned in this article are double action. Last time I was buying bulk ammo in 5.56 mm NATO, 9 mm, .40 Smith, .44 Mag and Please reply. I would take a 357 Magnum with hard cast bullets over a standard 45 Colt round. The second shot went CLICK. There was also a guy who used the Air Force M6 .22 LR/.410 GA over/under rifle/shotgun. Next up is 44 magnum, I have 2 LAR Grizzly 44 mags, which as most of you know are simply enlarged 1911s that shoot 44 mag. and when was the last time you saw a wolves, let alone a bear.?????? A large bore hot load can be a challenge to control and difficult for multiple shots, while something like a 10mm in a good semi-auto allows for powerful rounds and multiple shots rapidly fired on target for many. The Blackhawk is tough as nails, and while it may not have the prestige of a Colt Single Action Army, it is utterly dependable. A Utah friend of mine called to ask about using a .38 Special with a 4" barrel as a trail gun and a defensive gun in the mountains of his home state. You can love a single action revolver but you wont find an Alaskan guide or hunter carrying one, or a semi-auto pistol without a 45-70 or 338WinMag at the ready. You show five rounds with your .38, six rounds with your Model 29, but all of your pictures with the Ruger .45 only show FIVE. 7 tours of duty (Coast Guard) and 11 years of volunteer EMT3 doing Bush & Mountain rescue all over Alaska, 10 years as AK Hunter Safety instructor and professional brown bear photographer + successful hunter and competition shooter, and trapper. Option to use 45 colt 454 cas and 460 mag. Shock Wave or the Tac-12 pistols leave a bigger hole ! A Utah friend of mine called to ask about using a .38 Special with a 4" barrel as a trail gun and a defensive gun in the mountains of his home state. The first was many years ago when I was in Alaska. Defensive purse swinging! They truly are amazing creatures: When you're out strolling in the woods, there's no way for you to defend yourself from a mountain lion using an air rifle. In the middle of our camps we kept a ready shotgun on a small folding table so if a quick exit from the tents was called for, everyone at least know where that one was. Perry can dispatch a coyote with a Ruger LCP you most certainly could do it with .38 Special +p or not and it will also kill a mountain lion. Sun, Jan 29, 2023. . Adult weight: Males range from 116-160 pounds and females, 75-110 pounds Seeing the bull moose charging froze me. They were relocating a Grizzly to a remote wilderness area. When I asked him for his insight, he was kind enough to respond in detail. I would rather have a .44 mag with a 6 barrel or the 454 Casull but it was a practical upgrade and is light enough with 5 rounds to carry on long hikes. Needless to say, the culprits were evicted, the wing was evacuated and the room needed to be completely gutted and refinished. Now that is change of Biblical proportions. mountain lion primarily subsists on large ungulates, small mammals including porcupine, hares and rabbits, ground squirrels, and beaver may also supplement its diet. Note on BLACK BEARS they have become highly predatory in Alaska. In an ambush situation, if you havent been paying attention, you wont have much time to reactMost of the people I know use the Ruger Alaskan pistols in 44mag minimum, next in popularity is the 454 Ruger Alaskan. That was my initial question as well. Lighter, cheaper, and much better statistics than any conceivable 38spl load. Key Points: No dog, regardless of the breed, would be able to take on a full-grown mountain lion solo. What do you know! A powerful handgun with a tough, deep penetrating bullet is the key. In Africa the wholesale slaughter of wild game was done to make room for agriculture and the safety of the farmers many of whom blasted off their feet the entire big game population for miles around. +P Semi-Wadcutter HP Ammo [38G] - $20.95 Or if you are really recoil sensitive these would work pretty well, non-plus p and low velocity. Now he is a sports talk radio host for 104.3 the Fan . Capable yet not-overpowered, accurate and easy-to-control except in aluminum framed 2" snubnose versions, it remains a solid choice for discrete carry and pleasure shooting days at the local target range. Hopefully, this link will work. And this is why Glock 29s and Smith & Wesson 329s exist. When confronted by a threat.. you need to tick off a very short, well reasoned and practiced list. .357 magnum will probably work as long as you're not running into any bears .44 magnum is preferable. where do you come up with this bullshit. In the end the animals will lose as even the anti-hunting crowd will realize that dangerous animals cannot be tolerated around civilization as there is no room for both humans and dangerous animals or wild animals that destroy crops. Yes I admit, Im a revolver person. Hard cast lead or perhaps some modern all brass penetrators would probably be better. Mountain lions are normally very secretive and cautious. Last I heard the Judge and Governor are chambered in .45 Colt and shoot the exact same rounds as your Redhawk does. The Mountain Lion will return to feed on the prey for up to 10 days. Very interesting. Absolutely. feral dogs Not only is a 45 Colt that is hand loaded right there with the 44 magnum, or even out performing the 44 magnum. I stopped the pickup and as it went down the incline one shot hit the abdominal cavity and another between the shoulder blades, it crawled about two feet and died. I have a buddy who guided a hunter with a .50 AE to a brown in the late eighties when it came out and it was a disaster. A picture shows a lamb and a mountain lion side by side. They want to second guess people. Do you have an animal or nature story to share with Newsweek? Look it up. Related Tags: He lives every day with brown bears and has guided to dozens if not hundreds of them. Incidentally I have 2 500 Smith mags, never carry them in bear country. I have both the Governor and a Public Defender Judge, but no steel framed .45 Long Colt guns. I would still rather have a 12 gauge though. If doing this with very heavy bullets a change in rifleing twist may be more suitable if longer ranges are expected. 4 barrel, all stainless steel, adjustable sights and under 1.5 pounds. With the exception of Mr. Shoemaker who has more experience than I will ever even hope to have bigger seems to be better. My close friend and ex-county sheriff assures me that, unless you are acting like an idiot, most sheriffs here in Colorado will just shake your hand and wish you a good day, IF they happen to see your with a magazine with > 15 rounds. I looked at my knife on my hip and quickly decided thst wouldnt work. Its a simple concept. The black bears have been stopped with pistols, rifles, shotguns and once with an ax. I call those DGUs as easily as a person on person. You are on the Alaskan highways lets get that straight. Brown bear commonsense options: Planning to go, I figured that I didnt have the right gun for a possible bear encounter. I have a CZ52 that shoots the old PPsH Tokarev LMG round. It is the gun I used in the American Hunter Challenge Video where I make five hits at seven yards in under three seconds. The most significant differences between a jaguar and a mountain lion are their size, speed, and bite force. Black bears and mountain lions can be killed if they cause death or injury to other people. Dick Casulls brainchild improves the ballistics of the .45 Colt even in modern handguns and provides an entirely different performance level for those who can handle it. I asked if he was afraid of the Bears. The problem is the gun. The 4-3-1 rule is a good rule of thumb, however, I agree with the comments about a 10mm. My other handgun, my day-to-day gun, is a well-worn Smith & Wesson Model 36, in .38 Special. No, they dont. I saw a beautiful Blond one in Glacier Natl Park a couple of years ago. A revolver is a one threat gun so unless you are Jerry Miculek you will run out of ammo with a revolver. wild berries and plums, and of course during hunting season (deer and elk for instance) Couple Im friends with have a vacation home in NW Montana(we all live in So. A large caliber handgun is a must. Their saliva or blood can kill you even after the animal itself is already dead. The Hornady Critical Defense .410 loads (slug + 2x .35 cal balls) are rated at 750 feet per second. I saw one 200 yards from my home while deer hunting several years ago. Found the bullet in the other ear, Weighed 270 grains. Spent half my working career in Alaska, hunted, fished, hiked. Id wager that Ive walked within feet of bear and cougar many times without realizing that they were there. Yes I admit this was a freak happening. They are beautiful animals I love seeing in the wild, but from a very safe distance, downwind of the bear. bobcats However, two of those incidents resulted in fatalities. Im not a hunter, but a hiker. If I had not shot the hog with a .44 Magnum I think it would have ended very badly. Bobcat tracks will be much smallerless than 2 inches wide . They called me to come over and look at the tracks. This gun is horrible to carry full time when it must be out of site sometimes!! In this case, the mountain lion was found to have rabies. But Garrett makes a round called hammer head. They are most active between dusk and dawn, and generally avoid contact with humans. I havent seen any of his Buddys to verify his story, But they like Jack, they have all passed away. A bear will cover 50 yards in less than 2 seconds in a charge. While hunting is one of my favorite pastimes, fishing and hiking are a wonderful means of spending time with friends and family and living in close proximity to both the Catskill and Adirondack mountains, there is ample opportunity for both of those activities. So, I got a Marlin Guide Gun in .45-70Gvt. With a 5 inch un-ported barrel, 300 grain hard cast solids, cut an X on the point with a fine hack saw about 1/8 of an inch deep. Im a pistol guy now, and except for my Ruger Super Red Hawk, I seldom shoot revolvers. The Creator has a great plan, and I do not really miss the dodo bird or the carrier pigeon. Which brings up the old but true adage. The bear biologist was tracking the animals when I stepped out of the woods and she told me how close we were to the bear. Regarding my loads, Im partial to a 230 grain Federal Hydra-Shok jacketed hollowpoint staggered with 230-grain lead cast bullet, one following the other, the first round out of the magazine a Hydra-Shok. Good article. vermin such as raccoon, skunk, possum, etc. The yellow color was striking. Personally, I'd feel the best with a .44 mag, .45LC, or 45-70 in a Marlin carbine. James A. Jaguars range in size from about 100lbs up to 300lbs, run at speeds of 50 mph, and bite with a bone-crushing 1,500 PSI. The people who shot the cougar had no way of knowing that the cougar had rabies when they shot it. Im still alive without a scratch. In the question of "Is the .22 LR Long Rifle within the ideal range of suitable calibers for cougar or . The bear was hurt so it couldnt run thank God abd CVA. Deerfield, IL School Superintendent Violates Illinois Law With Gun Control Call To Action, Armed Self-Defense Chronicles: When a Detroit Doctor Defended Himself and His Family Against a Racist Mob. Supposedly it will go through armor vests, 1.5 inches of steel, etc. No HPs! A long barrel revolver or pistol in very close quarters. Just holes. I prefer to carry a .460 Roland built on .45 Colt ACP 1911 chassis. I shot a 1000+ lb. Buffalo bore ammo is available, very hard hitting and lethal. Not an expert by any means, just always loved the horribilis in the name, denoting the end result of chance meeting with an angry Grizzly in a dark alley. The hunting part mostly Brown bear hunting. But also a few manufacturers that load plus P 45 Colt rounds that are every bit as powerful as the 44 magnum. Its a gun I have confidence in when A farmer living in Lower Lake, in Lake County, noticed the dead lambs last week and notified the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. Next post: AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, Previous post: Waterfowl Artillery: CZ Swamp Magnum, Your email address will not be published. Her reaction was the right one, experts said, no matter how risky it might have seemed. My hunting partner puts his faith in the Colt .45, and it will get the job done. Its a free country Plinker you are free to engage in Prayer, Ritual and Incantations by the light of the moon. of course be loaded and kept down loaded with .38 Special ammo (modern). Thousands of empty Ancient Churches that have been converted into libraries and or apartment buildings are testament to that. He ran to get the gun, and when the animal started to investigate whether P.J.s head was bite-sized, Smith told him to shoot the animal, which he did with one extremely well-placed shot. DRT. There are too many variables involved to deliberatly under gun yourself on a planned trip in bear country. OMG! Year later, shot a black bear same ammo, but out of a desert eagle way better results. I doubt that I have walked past a moose without noticing. The .45 Colt makes a formidable handgun cartridge, especially in a pistol as strong as the Blackhawk, where the pressures and velocities can be ramped up a bit. Nine for the bear and the 10th for me if the nine didnt work. In ordinary life, people are much more likely to be attacked by another person, than by a mountain lion. I had never shot a bear before , so I decided to put it down with a shot to the next. As an outdoorsman, I enjoy being afield in all sorts of capacities. I load them to just over 1,200 fps. Methinks your anti-Judge/Governor bias is showing. He told the cameraman Ive killed bears with this gun. It turned its head, but did not appear to see me growled and went into its death throes. so why risk it. 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